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Tuesday, June 07, 2005

an interesting conversation

An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty. He asks one of his new Muslim students to stand and.....
Professor: You are a Muslim, aren't you, son?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So you believe in God?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor: Is God good?
Student : Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student : Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him.
Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?
(Student is silent.)
Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?
Student :Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From...God...
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Prof: So who created evil?
(Student does not answer.)
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student :Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them?
(Student has no answer.)
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student : No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student : No , sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class is in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?
(The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)
Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sir.. The link between man & god is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive.


well i post this as i had always thot that there is no such thing as god .
and not that i had read this and i believed in him.
well i saw wat was going on in this world and how it has just changed and man has changed.
well if u believe that god has built this world then i see that he has a great sense of beauty.
in that case how can someone with such amazing power just watch and see wat is happening in this world...
but i have always kept thinking about this thing . i know that it is a topic which can draw a lot of comments and a lot of views all distinctly different from the other.
but in the end wat i thot is how does his being or non being matter to me.
everytime i come up with something that tells me to believe in him there is another thot that comes instantly telling me that i need not believe in him.
just tell me that y god makes people believe in him in different ways.
y r there so many religions that show him in different ways.
and what is the reason that these religions want him to worship him .
there are people who dont worship him and yet lead a happy life.
well if he is almighty powerful then y dosent he make people follow the religion.
y does he allow people to do bad deeds and hurt the people who worship him.
i just dont get it.
i just want to know that can't he just demolish the basis of all the bad deeds happening allaround
of course he must be able to because as per popular belie if he cant no one can.

just some thing that prompted me to write this post

A convenient hook for a pessimist upon which he can hang his miseries and misfortune and thus avail himself a temporary respite from the pain.For an optimist he represents the power that can be called upon to bail him out of occassional troubles with a little bribing( read coconuts and pav kilo pedas).


well from now on i c that i cant bring drastic changes in this world so i just believe in him.
but not that i believe in his powers and will blindly follow him.
i will just believe that yes he is there and when ever i see something that i dont think is right to be a part of his beautiful world(i.e. i persieve that the world without man is a beautiful place)
i will yell at him and tell this is wat is happening in this world that you created and as a part of this world i would like u to consider it.
(well you just can't go to sleep after making this place , you also have to maintain it).

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